RTE Today with Sean O’Rourke: Karl Deeter & Ronan Lyons debate mortgage caps

This is a copy of a good debate that took place on the Sean O’Rourke show today on RTE Radio. It was a good example of how two contrary points can both have supporting arguments which seek different ends but where both sides have validity. We think that a return to bubble credit would be a disaster, but equally hold dear the idea that it isn’t up to Central Banks to orchestrate the winners and losers in society.

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Our submission to the Central Bank on CP87 – Mortgage lending caps

We submitted a paper to the Central Bank on the mortgage cap proposal they have put out for consultation. Our view is that apart from being a crude instrument that it doesn’t work, Hong Kong is being used as an ‘example’ when in fact they are the very example that demonstrates best that the policy is misguided.

As practitioners we think a far more nuanced approach with other solutions such as higher stress tests, a freeze on underwriting criteria and mortgage insurance should the lender wish to avail of it are better.

Our submission can be downloaded here.

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Only 2,800 first time buyers would have been affected…

Patrick Honohan told the Oireachtas committee a few days ago that “2,800 mortgages issued in 2013 would have been affected by the proposed new lending rules”.

There are a few reasons why this is bad use of data. For a start, in 2013 in gross numbers there were 14,984 mortgages drawn down. If you strip out re-mortgages, switchers, top ups and investment loans to get an idea of the actual ‘home purchase’ group it comes down to 12, 875 which means 22% of all loans.

Secondly, 2013 is a low level year in lending, the charts below show the draw-downs and the number of loans, they are at anaemic levels and don’t show any sign of a credit bubble in a country that is still rapidly deleveraging.

How can this be interpreted as a rising risk? The rising prices are a separate issue, but that some wave of credit is ready to swamp down on limited supply denies the fact that most of the market is in cash …

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Newstalk: Pat Kenny show with Dearbhail McDonald on Mortgages

Last Friday on Newstalk we were on the Pat Kenny Show where Dearbhail McDonald was hosting. We discussed mortgage caps, how they don’t work, certainly not in isolation and some of the downsides to a market when they are utilised as well as the negative impacts they can have on people.

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Central Bank Mortgage Cap Calculator: did you get shafted?

We have designed a simple calculator that lets you put in your property price, what rents you are currently paying, how you think prices will change and how many years it would take you to save a 20% deposit if you only have 10% now.

Just download the excel file, fill in the bright yellow boxes on the first sheet, and then scroll down to the green area to find out if you win or got shafted. (download here)

You can play around with different scenarios, but suffice to say that a regular couple who have €25,000 saved up and are looking to buy a property for €250,000 today will be worse off if rents and property prices went up by 2% a year (and it took them 4 years to save the additional deposit required) to the tune of €15,500.

We don’t believe it is in the remit of the Central Bank to damage the balance sheets of financially healthy individuals, but you can test your own hypothesis and see how it …

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Prudence puts you deeper in debt… Nice work by the Central Bank

The news that higher loan to values will have to be limited is being mistakenly applauded by many financial commentators, almost none of whom work in credit. Towards the end of the post we demonstrate that you can actually be worse off by being forced to wait and put down a larger deposit than if you acted normally and bought today with a 10% deposit.

That’s why taking a look at the numbers beneath and how it will affect mortgages is important. First time buyers are typically the younger end of the house owning spectrum, they largely chose to stay out of the market during the financial crisis, a good choice, very rational.

That is why the people renting rose so much between 2006 and 2011. A total of 474,788 households were in rented accommodation in 2011, a considerable rise of 47 per cent from 323,007 in 2006.

It created a build up of non-owners who want in, but who are not the main driver of property price increases …

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TodayFM: Matt Cooper speaks to Irish Mortgage Brokers

On Today FM’s ‘last word’ show with Matt Cooper we were asked to discuss the issue of mortgages being capped for the loan to vlaue and the loan to income.

Robbie Kelleher of Davy Stockbrokers was also present and he presented some thoughts on why it was a good idea while Karl Deeter agreed that prudence is necessary but that there are better ways to achieve it than via a blunt policy instrument that will hurt about two thirds of first time buyers.

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