Cash back deals: are banks manipulating borrowers?

The Competition and Consumer Protection Commission (CCPC) warned lenders last month about their use of cashback deals and loyalty discounts. The commission believes that such incentives may be detrimental to consumers and may reflect unhealthy competition in the mortgage market.

 

Cash back deals have become more and more common in the market in recent years. These deals work by giving borrowers a certain percentage of their total mortgage amount back at the start of their loan, and they mostly target first time buyers who may need the extra money on hand to furnish their homes or to tide them through a tough transitional time in life.

 

A quick look around the market reveals that major lenders, such as AIB, Ulster Bank, Bank of Ireland, EBS and KBC, all have similar cash back deals, mostly ranging from 2-3% or €1500-€2000. The catch on these loans however, is that interest rates on them are often higher than the average on traditional loans. This means that over the term of the loan, extra interest paid  may turn out to be much …

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Karl Deeter Mentioned in the Press

You can find an article at this link which mentions Karl Deeter, apart of Irish Mortgage Brokers – Bank accused of ‘gouging’ loyal customers cuts its fixed rates on June 15 2017. Article by Charlie Weston in the Independent.

Permanent TSB, a state-rescued bank, has been increasingly cutting fixed rates in response to being accused of manipulating their clients. The bank has lowered it’s two-year fixed mortgages from 7.25% to 4.20% and three-year fixed mortgages from 8.75% to 4.20%. They have almost halved both of their fixed rate mortgages but the variable rate at the bank has remained the same.

The Central Bank has noticed an increase of fixed variable rates compared to variable for both new borrowers and existing ones. Therefore, banks have been reducing fixed rates to increase competition amongst other banks. This will prevent clients to switching to other banks for better deals.

The bank also extended a 2% cashback on all new mortgage drawdowns, supposed to end this month but got extended to the end of the year.

Karl Deeter was mentioned accusing the bank …

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PTsb compel clients to go for variable rates as fixed rates start at 7.25% (no joke)

We thought a client of ours was joking when they said they were being told that as an existing customer of PTsb on their mortgage that the only fixed rates they were getting offered were more than 7%.

It’s a standard residential loan rolling off a 1 year fixed rate, the ‘existing business rates’ (to you and me that’s ‘the loyal customer rates’) are so awful that we can think of no reason for why anybody would want to borrow from PTsb unless they never want fixed rates or need the cashback offer they have.

As a broker we obviously have to consider our past, present and future relationship with any lender, one way to sour that relationship is to take clients who are on a reasonable product and price and then strip them of choice (which is what a rate of over 7% effectively does) when the initial honeymoon is over.

For that reason we would remind people to consider their lender proposition very carefully and to get independent advice because when you go direct you’ll never get to …

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Independent Newspaper mentions Irish Mortgage Brokers

In an article today about mortgages by John Cradden of the Irish Independent we were quoted extensively regarding our thoughts on loans, extracts are below:

Last month saw the official launch of a new mortgage lender here in the form of Australian firm Pepper, who will be lending to the self-employed and those who got into arrears during the downturn but are now back on track.

“Up to now, if you had credit issues you were virtually unbankable, that is set to change,” said Karl Deeter of Irish Mortgage Brokers. “Equally, as banks add bells and whistles to their product suite, you’ll see some will be about flexibility rather than price and that’s a sign of competition in product differentiation coming through.”

He adds that rates will improve with the new competition. “This was what happened in the last credit cycle and will happen again so time will take care of that, but Ireland also has unusually high risk associated with our loans so that has to be factored in.”

The cashback offers are another popular incentive, with …

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Two identical first time buyers walk into a bar, one qualifies, the other doesn’t

The Central Bank rules on curtailing mortgage lending have had an interesting effect, first is that we are seeing more loans draw down that might not have because people are bringing forward consumption due to the fact they won’t qualify for the same amount again in the future. This is literally the opposite of the intended effect.

Second is that it’s causing chaos for prospective buyers who may hold an exemption or need an exemption because there are quarterly reporting rules that mean banks can’t offer a new loan until they know if an old one will be drawn or become an NTU (not taken up).

Perhaps the easiest thing to do is explain it, currently you can’t get an exemption from Ulsterbank or AIB/EBS/Haven or BOI, but you can from PTsb and KBC. The banks that can’t give you one (and remember it’s only one of LTV or LTI not both) are hogtied because they have given the limit of exemptions (c. 15%-20% of lending) already in loan offers and they have to estimate both the annual and quarterly …

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Newstalk: Pat Kenny Show on variable rates

We were asked to speak with Pat Kenny today about variable rates and the government plan to intervene to make banks drop them. This was, after considering various pieces of evidence shown to be a deeply political rather than pragmatic move. We also demonstrated that there are documents which the Minister for Finance had drafted up with the banks specifically stating that he would not intervene on matters of pricing, the recent round of ‘meetings’ is in direct contravention of that.

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Mortgage rates set to drop and competition to increase in 2015

We have commented several times since last year that the trend for mortgage rates in 2015 will be to see them drop. With spreads of c. 300bp’s on lending it makes it one of the reliably profitable sectors of banking given the stringent underwriting being applied.

With the Central Bank looking to curtail first time buyers but doing nothing about incumbent borrowers getting restricted it means that they have directed the market towards refinancing.

This is because one of the niches left on the table is that of existing variable rate holders, which banks will now try to tempt away from one another in an effort to grow market share.

There are many who cannot take part and below is a list of the mortgage holders who won’t benefit.

Those in negative equity, they are going to be stuck when it comes to refinance, they can trade up with a negative equity mortgage but they won’t be able to ‘switch’. Those on fixed rates which accounts for in the region of 50,000 mortgage accounts, they face break penalties, and only …

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Newstalk Breakfast: Ivan Yates & Karl Deeter on PTsb rate increase

Today Ivan Yates spoke to Karl Deeter about the PTsb rate increase. There were several points to consider surrounding this and Ivan touched on perhaps the most important which is about credit provision in general.

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PTsb buy from abroad criteria

PTsb have sent out the criteria for buyers from abroad, listed below.

Applicants who are Irish or UK Citizens resident outside of the Republic of Ireland AND who are earning in excess of 100,000 Euro equivalent per annum (joint or sole basis) may be considered for BTL facilities, a maximum LTV of 60% applies.

Standard valuation & rental income confirmation requirements apply.

All qualifying applicants / properties will be required to comply with the standard 1.2 times RCR requirement.All applicants will be required to provide acceptable proof of their compliance with the €100k minimum income requirement. Income may be verified with reference to one or more of the following:

Payslips (2 of most recent 3); Salary Certificate; Statement of Taxes (P60 equivalent or Tax Balancing Statements); Audited / Certified Accounts; 3 months Bank Statements showing minimum 3 salary credits at the required level; Balance of funds must be evidenced by way of a Bank/ Savings/ Investment statement.

In the normal course a Net Income / Lifestyle Expenditure assessment is not required. However it is acknowledged that circumstances may occur where …

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Don’t be late! Banks announcing cut off dates for mortgage cheques

Every year Santa brings a few unlucky kids some coal, the banks have a similar deal for people who are late with their paperwork and it’s called a ‘cut off date’.

This means that irrespective of what you do, you won’t be able to get a mortgage cheque if you submit paperwork after a certain date (we’ll list them as they come in). The problem for some people is that they might be reliant on closing in 2013 in order to get a legal property tax avoidance for owner occupiers so if you are going to try to draw down in December do yourself a favour and get everything sorted out ASAP.

And also remember, by ‘documents in’ that means ‘on the system’ and from the time a document arrives to when it gets scanned up can take a few days depending on the institution.

Cut off dates announced thus far:

BOI and ICS: Tuesday 17th

KBC: Friday 20th

(edit: 28/11/13 10:51am)

AIB/Haven: Monday 16th

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